that person is grover norquist, the head of americans for tax reforms. it's got a pledge that mostly republicans members of congress signed to say they won't raise taxes under any circumstances. i spoke to nor i didn't see after friday's developments and asked him about taxes and his almost religious belief that tax increases, any tax increase, is bad for the economy. >> we've seen that whenever you've raised the capital gains tax, the top marginal tax rates, but also tax increases distract from what the country needs to do. we need to deal with our runaway government spending. the government is spending too much money. tax increases are not part of cutting the budget. tax increases are what politicians do instead of reform the government. as long as tax increases are on the table, the politicians never even think about reforming government. >> and i understand. you have been on this fight for a long time and you've been devoted to the whole idea of not seeing taxes increase anywhere. but what we're down to right now is largely a political battle over th